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Envelope - September 8, 2007 01:41 PM (GMT)
Anyone else besides me feel like YUI somehow sold out? Though, "sold out" wouldn't really be the correct word, more like "she's being pointed to another direction" sort of thing. So, anyone feel the same?

Riyu October3 - September 8, 2007 02:06 PM (GMT)
I really don't know...

i mean her singles and albums always gets their way on top of the Oricorn Charts, And probably the LOVE & TRUTH single will find its way on top 5 of the Oricorn Charts...

And not to mention her popularity outside Japan...

so i don't know about my reaction to this

JKDragoon - September 8, 2007 02:23 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Envelope @ Sep 8 2007, 01:41 PM)
Anyone else besides me feel like YUI somehow sold out? Though, "sold out" wouldn't really be the correct word, more like "she's being pointed to another direction" sort of thing. So, anyone feel the same?

Yeah... I get that feeling too.
Okay, I'll be real honest here... Her latest single "Love & Truth"? It just didn't seem to cut it for me. I didn't get the same feeling that I would otherwise get hearing her other songs.

:please (I'm sorry!! Please don't kill me all you YUI-lovers... I'm innocent...)

The single feels like she didn't exactly hit it... I expected something more on the lines of "My Generation"... Even though Love & Truth was more of a sad song, I wanted the err... "YUI-ness" to shine through... Which it didn't... @@

Some variation and experimentation is good... But not too much!!
I just hope she goes back to composing the kind of songs she used to compose...
Old YUI > New YUI... :rolleyes:
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JK

Envelope - September 8, 2007 02:31 PM (GMT)
I've got the same view as you with "Love & Truth". Never liked it plus the video, oh god no. If you compare the albums "From me to you" to "Can't buy my love" I hear a big difference. It changed from then on really.

JKDragoon - September 8, 2007 02:36 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Envelope @ Sep 8 2007, 02:31 PM)
I've got the same view as you with "Love & Truth". Never liked it plus the video, oh god no. If you compare the albums "From me to you" to "Can't buy my love" I hear a big difference. It changed from then on really.

"Can Buy My Love" was her maturing in the music world... It was a GREAT album with some really good songs! It had plenty of variety and showed that she wasn't afraid of experimenting (Short songs like RUIDO... Quick songs like "rolling star"... Mellow songs like "I remember you")

I just hope she doesn't push ALL the songs over the edge with her next album. Somethings gotta give and surely not all the tracks will be like "Love & Truth"!
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..
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I hope...
:please
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JK

(P.S. Been tabbing anything new on GP5? :P j/k j/k)

br4d137 - September 8, 2007 02:49 PM (GMT)
you can never make "everyone" happy...

people like her old stuff.. people like her new stuff...

people saying shes just an indies chick some said she sold out..

sigh...

its just music... listen to the music...


NorthernLight[Zzz] - September 8, 2007 03:01 PM (GMT)
YUI wrote Love & Truth is for the movie, she probably read the script before she wrote it, so.. Love & truth isn't really about YUI while My generation are, so.. sure she'll something like my generation after this single or later

Envelope - September 8, 2007 03:03 PM (GMT)
I'd rather have a straight honest answer than a philosophy concept though.

"Can't Buy My Love" was good, it just, sounded differently. The feel to it and such, let's blame it on maturity though cos I can't think of the reason either.

JKDragoon - September 8, 2007 03:38 PM (GMT)
Alright alright...
Let's not turn this into a major debate... @@

br4d137...
You're right in the sense that music will always be changing and evolving (or DE-volving for that matter...) and different people have different tastes. I'm sure if I were in the right mood, "Love & Truth" would sound better than it does to me now!

NorthernLight...[Zzz]
You strike a good point which I forgot to post about! XD
The song was written for the movie... And thus, fits the atmosphere of the movie. Though it has some YUI-ness in it, she's constrained to the 'feel' of the script. As a result, the song doesn't outright represent YUI.

I think what we all want is for YUI to just be herself and let the music take her wherever it will. I personally don't want her to become main-stream... To me, she still remains as one of the more outstanding artists amongst all the others out there!
We have to admit though, there is still a general consensus that a lot of us on YUI lovers share common interest in her style of music. Many of us have similar Top/Favourite 5 YUI songs, if not COMPLETELY the same!!
If not... Why on earth would we be on YUI-lovers anyway? (HEY! No stalking answers here... =.=" :P)

:please
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JK

nataliejwong - September 8, 2007 03:59 PM (GMT)
Hm.. I think she's taken a slightly different direction.. her new album is more rockish. Yep, in all honesty, I personally like her first album. More acoustic approach, but I'm biased that way.

I agree with what Brad wrote though...


cherii - September 8, 2007 04:10 PM (GMT)
hmm...i guess i do find myself liking the older songs more these days, but i still love all her songs.

everyone has their opinions and most artists change in some way or another at some point.

hmm yeah, brad's right.

its completely impossible to make everyone happy...

eonridr - September 8, 2007 07:01 PM (GMT)
i shall be honest too. i don't feel it that way.

i dun understand y so many people dun like Love n Truth. Mayb its not da best songs around, but it doesn't deserve this. I for one after playing through lots of time began to like it more and more.
& isn't the Love n Truth PV with Yui in her different style, dark and gothic, just splendid & glorious?

even if u dun agree, look at My generation, CBML, Rolling star. I really can't complain.



and yes my fav song is remains as Goodbye days & Tokyo. But that doesn't mean i dun like Yui & her songs the way she is now.

dun limit yourself in a box.. times change, music change. you cant make everyone happy, but u can face the fact & try your best to embrace the change. go look at lyrics of my generation.

JustAnotherYUILover - September 8, 2007 10:53 PM (GMT)
I never had the guts to post a thread like this. I've been feeling that YUI's music is headed to a different direction. I can't really put this into words but I'll try. I don't get that same feeling I get when I use to listen to her old songs. Her older songs such as It's Happy Line, Skyline, Good-bye Days, Tokyo, Tomorrow's Way, Life, and etc were able to put me into emotional states that I've experienced in the past. Her music was able to draw out experiences that I have came across spiritually. Maybe back then she wasn't thinking about fame and wealth when she sung. She was just putting her passion to the test. Not thinking about what people wanted to listen to but just pouring her emotions out. Her albums had some decent songs(most were from her singles) but now she's like losing it in my opinion. Now that she has gained so much popularity, she is doing what she thinks people wants to listen to rather than what she is based on. I don't listen to songs just because it sounds good. I look for feelings and emotions that come with songs. There is music. And then there is "music". For example guys check this video out:http://youtube.com/watch?v=FG2J52Dy3qM This song has no words(it's a vocalization) so you'll have to interpret the meaning for yourself. This song is called Dedication by Vitas Bumac. Not only is Vitas very talented but he is also able to express music spiritually. I hope you guys understand what I mean. The first time I listened to this song, I started to recall memories and shed some tears. Tell me what you think of this song and I'll tell you the reason behind the song.

Envelope - September 8, 2007 11:54 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (JustAnotherYUILover @ Sep 8 2007, 10:53 PM)
I never had the guts to post a thread like this. I've been feeling that YUI's music is headed to a different direction. I can't really put this into words but I'll try. I don't get that same feeling I get when I use to listen to her old songs. Her older songs such as It's Happy Line, Skyline, Good-bye Days, Tokyo, Tomorrow's Way, Life, and etc were able to put me into emotional states that I've experienced in the past. Her music was able to draw out experiences that I have came across spiritually. Maybe back then she wasn't thinking about fame and wealth when she sung. She was just putting her passion to the test. Not thinking about what people wanted to listen to but just pouring her emotions out. Her albums had some decent songs(most were from her singles) but now she's like losing it in my opinion. Now that she has gained so much popularity, she is doing what she thinks people wants to listen to rather than what she is based on. I don't listen to songs just because it sounds good. I look for feelings and emotions that come with songs. There is music. And then there is "music". For example guys check this video out:http://youtube.com/watch?v=FG2J52Dy3qM This song has no words(it's a vocalization) so you'll have to interpret the meaning for yourself. This song is called Dedication by Vitas Bumac. Not only is Vitas very talented but he is also able to express music spiritually. I hope you guys understand what I mean. The first time I listened to this song, I started to recall memories and shed some tears. Tell me what you think of this song and I'll tell you the reason behind the song.

Boom exactly how I feel.

Also, Jesus, It's not about Love & Truth. It's about everything. Love & Truth isn't the scapegoat here. And I've said before, I'd like an honest answer than a philosophical point on the situation.

JustAnotherYUILover - September 9, 2007 02:48 AM (GMT)
Glad to know someone understands what I feel. But maybe not entirely. So did anyone view the video I linked up? I want to know what you guys think of it and if I'm the only one. It means a lot to me.

JKDragoon - September 9, 2007 03:01 AM (GMT)
OKAY OKAY... People having a few different viewpoints of YUI here... @@

Reading through different posts, we have this invisible line of 'old' and 'new' YUI. I'm judging that this line is placed between her 2 albums, "From Me To You" and "Can't Buy My Love".

Getting this a little clearer, "From Me To You" can be considered an indie album... She just made a hit with Sony and most of the songs on it are her very own creation from her very own experiences. YES!!!... The key here is her very own EXPERIENCES. "TOKYO" and "feel my soul" are but a few songs with meanings behind them that are directly related to hre musical life. Also, it's a strong contrast for guitarists... Nat: "More acoustic approach...". Agreed!

"Can't Buy My Love" had significant differences... Well, I only think that now since some of you have highlighted it here. In this album, she's struck her fame and it's time for her to do more experimenting. Truth is, I still believe that she's singing about EXPERIENCES. This is the critical thing that's giving her music depth... And she sings from her HEART. This is what me, JustAnotherYUILover and many of her fans connect with. She puts her heart into the music... Making it "music"!
She has CHANGED... But she still puts the "" in "music"!

We have mixed feelings about "Love & Truth" for the reasons that we've listed... Change in style, being influenced by the fans/media, affected by script of the movie... Truth is, IT DOESN'T MATTER! Even your favourite artist will have some songs that you don't really like as much... And that's the absolute truth. I judge artists by how many tracks on their albums I think are good... Only about less than 6 CDs have hit more than 6 tracks... And both of YUI's albums are within those 6.

For the sake of eonridr and others (I mean... Seeing that you like the song!), I am going to try and like "Love & Truth"... It's going to undergo one of my stress tests... i.e. I'm going to ATTEMPT to listen to that song ONLY for one day. It's worked before... So I'll see how it works now... (It works for me... Just my style...)
However, it still won't rise as high as songs like "feel my soul", "Good-bye Days", "crossroad", etc. because those ones were instant favourites upon my 1st or 2nd time hearing them.
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JK

P.S. JustAnotherYUILover, I heard the song... It's got a nice tune, even though I'm not really into his genre. I don't think he's singing... More just making some tones with various words strung in XD
But... He puts his HEART into the music... Which gives it the edge... :D

gradlon - September 9, 2007 03:31 AM (GMT)
:la@
All my affirmations are resulting!!, The reason of this forum is to resolve the question "¿Who is Yui?", and all this things are the conffirmation.

this line you talk about, I look it clearly between "I remember You" and "Rolling Star"; look at the songs Poll, there is a graphic (so simetric, I'm suprised); her high point looks, was when he made the movie, probably In there she has burned all her feelings about her hard life, and after there, he writes about her artist life, less of Poetry than the past. I think about if Yui is writing with heart again, then what's "Jam"?

There's another thing, You have noticed the fastly way the release new songs; ever I was worried about that, she works at the speed of a train, and the inspiration of artists don't works with regularity.

If you look the topic "Yui's rocker look" you will see a hot discusion about the same thing.
I will resume it with this Image, look and think about it.
user posted image

gotchi - September 9, 2007 08:41 AM (GMT)
hmm another thing to take into account about that 'invisible line' between YUI's FMTY album/earlier stuff + the CBML sounds ...is probably her performances/lives...

her CBML album has more heavier sounds and the energy in the crowd seems more lively ....and some artists/performers live off that energy

i also love most of YUI's stuff..there isn't really any particular song i dont like...but when it comes to lives with large crowds and stuff....i kinda would think it'd be hard for the crowd to be as lively with her earlier songs ..since they seem a bit more mellow and light....

BUT i'm not saying she isn't lively when she performs her earlier songs...i love them ..they kinda draw in the audience to carefully listen to her and to feel and understand the emotions coming from the music and lyrics...

this is a really touchy topic as well...but heck in the end i still enjoy her music and i hope she continues to create an arrangement of songs (a balance of old and new perhaps?) that we will all enjoy

bnn - September 9, 2007 09:18 AM (GMT)
some nice views and analysis around

i do agree she is more directed by her company currently.

voice in a way are more controlled i feel.

i actually love songs like free bird but she's currently more steered to the mainsteam hmm

anyhow, i prefer the YUI during LIFE and good bye days' period.


one thing that did not change for me though, all the album/single covers are way below average compared to other artistes/singer. just what's with that -.- (that's my personal opinion dun hound me =x)

asuna - September 9, 2007 02:14 PM (GMT)
well it just shows that she's maturing in the musical sense (not sure about herself though XD) besides it'll be quite *gasp* boring if she stuck to the same formula for the rest of her career... a lil' change here and there while keeping a bit of her old self keeps her fans satisfied while attracting new listeners... that's what the showbiz industry is all about, isn't it?

i've seen this discussion in forums for different artists (ayu is one of them) so i guess its a common concern for fans in general. lets just wait and see what YUI has to offer next shall we? :good

KaiserKawaii - September 11, 2007 07:23 AM (GMT)
Her music has to evolve and i think the change from acoustic to electric is a sign of her evolution...

you can do more types of songs when using an electric...

as for the songs, look at L~arc en ciel... why is it that the have a lot of fans?... my friends tells me it's because their music keeps on evolving... and that's exactly my point.

YUI has to evolve to make her music better. We can't change the fact that even if you look at the chords in her songs from FMTY, the chords were so simple. Bm, G, A, D... almost always the same in the songs, but now, look at what the chords are already... there is more range to it...

Honestly, I like the acoustic YUI more, but since I know that somehow her style has to change, I still like her up to know...

about Love&Truth... who says there is no real emotion in it?... the main reason i liked Love&Truth is the way YUI sings it... I can actually feel the emotion just by listening to her voice... I don't like the melody that much though. It may not be YUI who feels that way but I think she relates to it.

Why did YUI make Good-bye days? for Taiyou no Uta right?... and how do you think did she make the song? then by relating it to the story... it's still the same... Closed Note just needed a different type of melody, that's all. We all like Good-bye days but it isn't really YUI that feels that way. She only wrote it for the movie.

NorthernLight[Zzz] - September 11, 2007 10:37 AM (GMT)
yes, Goodbye-days is related to Taiyou Uta, it's the feeling of amane kaoru towards Kouji (something) with the phrase "I decide to meet you now" "It's impossible for me to love someone? sometimes i think it's possible" (sorry for bad translation)

cidintank - September 11, 2007 10:42 AM (GMT)
Personally, the genre of the songs do not really matter. I love her songs for many number of reasons. Of course, it sounds good and all, but the main reason why I love YUI's songs is because of her voice. As long as I can hear the YUI-ness of her voice, I'm content. Be it the slower songs like Tomorrow's way or the faster ones like Rolling Star, you can still hear YUI. Of course, it would be much better if YUI gets to write what she wants to write, rather than being manipulated by SONY in order to sell more. I agree with what others have said about the songs being written to fit the movie/drama and I do not find anything wrong with it. I don't understand Japanese at all :sry so the meaning of the song really eludes me until I find translations. She could be singing about taking out the garbage and it wouldn't matter to me because I still get to hear her voice :good

JKDragoon - September 11, 2007 11:10 AM (GMT)
Ahh... That's a good point that's been drawn several times since my last post!
I never considered the idea that she would do some of her songs differently (i.e. in a different feel/genre... "Love & Truth") to try and attract more fans to her CORE music.

I think we can consider her CORE/PRIMARY style to be more acoustic-based, a la "From Me To You" style. Her SECONDARY style has a rockish feel to it, a la "Can't Buy My Love".
I'll forgive YUI for her release of "Love & Truth", seeing that I didn't really like it as much (I have yet to do my stress test!!... GP5 tabs are getting in my way... =.=").
If songs like those allow YUI to gather more fans, I'm open to it... Just as long as she does a song or two in her CORE style every now and then (because I like playing them...)!!!

At the same time... I kinda want YUI to just have a small fan-base... That way, YUI-lovers kinda remains exclusive for those who knew her right from the start!!

:please
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JK

gradlon - September 11, 2007 11:18 PM (GMT)
"Auguries of destruction be a lullaby for rebirht"

destiny are looking us, waiting for us
and we can't stop it, we walk with head down
knowing the happines will stop, the pain will fade
there's something moving us
and we can't stop it

"Let's enjoy the drama that will be a time between acts"

Let's smell the rose, before the season change.
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Taiyou no uta, is the unique movie for her; her story is not far from it; look at the director words "she is the unique for this role"; I can't find a difference between Kaoru and Yui, You can?

atheon - September 11, 2007 11:35 PM (GMT)
^ YUI herself can find difference between her and Kaoru, that's all that matters.


For one, YUI is not that aggressive when it comes to guys :YUIFace

Envelope - September 12, 2007 07:31 PM (GMT)
I think we should let YUI do everything herself. Atleast for one track atleast, let her do EVERYTHING. No help at all so we can see if she can really do something on her own without the professional help. That'd be something -- And yes, this is off topic, but I'm going with some that posted things that didn't matter. ;P Love you all!

JustAnotherYUILover - September 12, 2007 08:04 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (JKDragoon @ Sep 9 2007, 03:01 AM)
P.S. JustAnotherYUILover, I heard the song... It's got a nice tune, even though I'm not really into his genre. I don't think he's singing... More just making some tones with various words strung in XD
But... He puts his HEART into the music... Which gives it the edge... :D

I'm glad someone actually listened to it. We all have different tastes. I don't always look for music that I can understand launguage wise and follow what it means. I go for stuff that just has a feel to it. I don't think anyone understands. Haha. . . Just forget it.

Reset - September 13, 2007 04:56 AM (GMT)
I like all of YUI songs, I do not see there is a old YUI and new YUI, just one YUI :cat

This is probably the fact that I like all song type, from Hard Rock to Easy listening.

And by the fact I am blindly love her voice and song :suki

:YUIFace

c0r0n0 - September 13, 2007 05:14 AM (GMT)
i get that kind of feeling too. her music is just so different from goodbye days, for example.

fat - September 13, 2007 09:10 AM (GMT)
Uhm i guess....People change and so does Music...



cidintank - September 13, 2007 02:25 PM (GMT)
Cheers @ Reset. Love her voice so anything else won't matter :clap Be it the slow songs or the fast songs. :good

houseboyz - September 13, 2007 02:49 PM (GMT)
Hmm... sry but i have to comment this i like her 'last music much better cus it smooth my ears! but this is not too bad :D at least it not too out of yui charater?

L'Arc Enzeru - October 11, 2007 08:04 AM (GMT)
Ehm... how should i say this...

Well, every singer or songwriter is NOT ALWAYS wrote a good song. That's included YUI. So although she's soooooo awesome and there isn't any singer or artists i like the most except YUI, she's definitely NOT ALWAYS made good singles or good songs. She's a human afterall ( lol ), sometimes can do things bad-resulted and sometimes awesome-resulted.

So, lets we all keep support YUI and wait for her next work. That is only things we can do for her.

And about Love & Truth... yes, personally i think it's not one of YUI's best work. I didn't really like the song too... ( but i like Jam )

pinkylily123 - October 11, 2007 08:09 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (br4d137 @ Sep 8 2007, 02:49 PM)


its just music... listen to the music...

^^read the above

yukio - October 13, 2007 09:56 PM (GMT)
yep i agree that she changed direction. i agree that her music sounds the same.

but i've been exposed to so many diff type of music... well all guitar based but different kinds of guitar type music that im able to enjoy EVERY ssong that she created. seriously, everyone of thme i can sit back and feel emotions through me... but this is just my and my musical experiences. i basically have no bias towards any type of music... since i used to listen to screamo/metal and then like soft classical acoustic pop stuff.

Love and Truth, is like... i feel emoness haha tis like evanescence, like rock opera, metally, emo kinda feel. i like it. i like old stuff and the new stuff... and i really enjoy her change of music, its like i can listen to a wide range of music just by listnein to her. haha... it keeps me hooked on, her songs dont get boring, cuz theres diff types of music in her stuff.

JustAnotherYUILover - October 14, 2007 01:25 AM (GMT)
I believed that if I had never discovered YUI and if I were to randomly bump into one of her newer songs such as JAM, I wouldn't have become a YUI Lover. Her newer style lacks so much that Good-bye Days, Tomorrow's Way, It's happy line, Last Train, Why, and etc. has. But I'm very grateful that I once met the more mediocre YUI not the new rising pop star YUI. It's not that I'm not happy for her. It's just that this seemed to have led her onto a new path. A path that is nothing more than mere fame . . .

gradlon - October 14, 2007 02:08 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (JustAnotherYUILover @ Oct 14 2007, 01:25 AM)
I believed that if I had never discovered YUI and if I were to randomly bump into one of her newer songs such as JAM, I wouldn't have become a YUI Lover. Her newer style lacks so much that Good-bye Days, Tomorrow's Way, It's happy line, Last Train, Why, and etc. has. But I'm very grateful that I once met the more mediocre YUI not the new rising pop star YUI. It's not that I'm not happy for her. It's just that this seemed to have led her onto a new path. A path that is nothing more than mere fame . . .

:shock Mediocre??

What are you talking about???
The work for make a song like Tomorrow's way has better quality than make one like Jam

yukio - October 14, 2007 06:34 PM (GMT)
i dont think its mere fame... i dont get wt u mean by mere fame.

but its definitely a new direction in musical style. i think its good, artists need to develop new styles nad experiment, staying the same for the whole time would only make it boring. but i still think shes expressing emotions and most importantly herself. im not sure i get why people think shes not expressing herself or her own emotions/experience? and i dont get why JAM is made with less quality than Tomorrow's way

and also i think it duznt relaly matter that much about whether its directly expressing urself or not. theres lots of artists who make songs that arent just about themselves. sometimes writing songs maybe just for fun, u can write about a topic that is completely unrelated tourself and yet its still good. and u can write about urself, by using other means like talkin about it in third person or seeming like its not about ur own experience.

also, music is another way for artists to not just express themselves, but expresss the feelings of the public, many people can't express their feelings, many can't make something like a piece of art or music to express their experiences, and musicians take the job of doing that, so that when people listen to it, they go, oh yeah thats exactly how im feeling.

theres no real purpose behind making music, u can write about urself, u dont have to write about urself. but in the end, the person who made that music is still being represented through the song.

EDIT: as for jam and her older songs.. if its because of hte musical style which makes it seem like its not made with good quality, i completely disagree, beacause go and listen to punk bands, and all their musics is like JAM, can u say its not made with quality? its just new styles, experimentation, but still the effort put into it is the same

JustAnotherYUILover - October 14, 2007 10:51 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (yukio @ Oct 14 2007, 06:34 PM)
i dont think its mere fame... i dont get wt u mean by mere fame.

but its definitely a new direction in musical style. i think its good, artists need to develop new styles nad experiment, staying the same for the whole time would only make it boring. but i still think shes expressing emotions and most importantly herself. im not sure i get why people think shes not expressing herself or her own emotions/experience? and i dont get why JAM is made with less quality than Tomorrow's way

and also i think it duznt relaly matter that much about whether its directly expressing urself or not. theres lots of artists who make songs that arent just about themselves. sometimes writing songs maybe just for fun, u can write about a topic that is completely unrelated tourself and yet its still good. and u can write about urself, by using other means like talkin about it in third person or seeming like its not about ur own experience.

also, music is another way for artists to not just express themselves, but expresss the feelings of the public, many people can't express their feelings, many can't make something like a piece of art or music to express their experiences, and musicians take the job of doing that, so that when people listen to it, they go, oh yeah thats exactly how im feeling.

theres no real purpose behind making music, u can write about urself, u dont have to write about urself. but in the end, the person who made that music is still being represented through the song.

EDIT: as for jam and her older songs.. if its because of hte musical style which makes it seem like its not made with good quality, i completely disagree, beacause go and listen to punk bands, and all their musics is like JAM, can u say its not made with quality? its just new styles, experimentation, but still the effort put into it is the same

Don't get too worked up. Everyone is different. Everyone is searching. There is music and then there is "music".




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