Title: how crazy
shinkaii - August 25, 2007 04:28 AM (GMT)
well i managed to search for the chords but erm...i cant get the song right..probably the strumming pattern or something...anyway i watched ths yui video where she played only the first 3 or 4 strings (the 6th,5th,4th strings and maybe 3rd) and is totolly part chords...the chords i had was different...i need help...and erm the best idea would be someone uploading a video on it....
thanks
natsumi - August 25, 2007 05:47 AM (GMT)
she's playing the power chords for the chords that u hav =)
erm.... u play the barre version of the chords that u hav, but only the top 2/3 strings =)
i donno how to explain :X
we'll need the experts :sry
s0l1dsn8k3 - August 25, 2007 07:25 AM (GMT)
Power chords are consist of the root note with the 5th note of the scale (and sometimes the includes the one-octive-higher root note, aka the 8th note of the scale).
For example, the power chord of G, G5, it is played (35xxxx) or (355xxx). The power chord of B, B5, is played (x24xxx) or (x244xx). The 'x' means those strings are not played so either don't play them or mute them.
Usually, power chords are played with the root note on the low E or A string, though any chord that only plays the root and 5th note can be named as a power chord.
I'm sure tsuvun can answer better as well as I'm still a newbie. :sry
tsunvun86 - August 25, 2007 07:35 AM (GMT)
Well Al, I think you nailed it~~
Well um.. to make it simper.... If you don't understand the theory behind it..
Power chords are just the lowest 2 or 3 notes on a barre chord. For example. A G barre chord is:
--3--
--3--
--4--
--5--
--5--
--3--
A G power chord (also known as G5) will just be the lower 2 or 3 notes:
--x--
--x--
--x--
--x-- or
--5--
--3--
--x--
--x--
--x--
--5--
--5--
--3--
shinkaii - August 25, 2007 08:22 AM (GMT)
oh i see...so power chords are to be played the lowest 2 or 3 strings from the orginal bar chords....
normal chords like C and A dont have?
tsunvun86 - August 25, 2007 08:30 AM (GMT)
C and A also have barre chords.
Every chord has barre chords.
For example, F barre chord is at the 1st fret (according where yr index finger is) G barre chord would be at the 3rd fret.
A barre chord is at the 5th fret and C at the 8th fret... There is also a C barre chord at the 3rd fret.
To understad all this you have to learn about how barre chords came about and how do you find barre chords in every fret. And yes you can have barre chords everywhere. Barre chords are like "the universal chords", so that's why it's important you dont skip out on them :P
In the LOVE & TRUTH PV, you can see YUI using only barre chords. She's playing Dm, A7, B, C, G etc all in barre chords.
Barre chords originated from open string chords. Your index finger act like a capo, changing frets everytime you play a barre chord in different positions.
The barre chord you guys commonly see (e.g F barre chord at 1st fret) comes from the open string chord "E". Your index finger barring all 6 string acts as a capo, and you will realise that the other positions that you're pressing other than the one's using your index finger has ashape just like the string "E" chord.
There are barre chords according to "A" open string chord too.
Ok long post.. phew...
shinkaii - August 25, 2007 11:50 AM (GMT)
isnt that the notes? 6th string open is E, fret 1 is F, 3rd fret is G, 5th fret is A 6th is B 8th is C 10th is D 12th is back to E...am i righT?
and erm...whats the strummin pattrn for the how crazy? there seems to sound like some pasues in strumming...is like she release her finger to stop the strings from strumming and ya....so how?
tsunvun86 - August 25, 2007 12:14 PM (GMT)
Yeap that is correct. And where which barre chord is is related to that.
Just like when you're playing an open string E your 6th string is open. See the connection? :P
JKDragoon - August 25, 2007 02:58 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (shinkaii @ Aug 25 2007, 11:50 AM) |
isnt that the notes? 6th string open is E, fret 1 is F, 3rd fret is G, 5th fret is A 6th is B 8th is C 10th is D 12th is back to E...am i righT?
and erm...whats the strummin pattrn for the how crazy? there seems to sound like some pasues in strumming...is like she release her finger to stop the strings from strumming and ya....so how? |
Ahaha... I'm having my holiday right now... I don't have my guitar tabs with me... :'(
I think I know what you mean by the weird strumming pattern. You're right in saying that YUI is muting the chords.
However, I can't tell you whether she's simply muting them by placing her fretting hand on the strings or PALM MUTING them.
My guess, after hearing the song, is that she's palm muting them. What this means is that she's placing her strumming hand on the strings near the bridge of the guitar and playing the chord. This results in a muffled sound. When she wants to play the actual chord, she lifts her strumming hand off the strings and plays it normally.
Whoever's got the score handy... Can you clarify for me?
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JK
tsunvun86 - August 25, 2007 03:15 PM (GMT)
You can hear it's a muffled muting. So yeah it's a palm muting producing a muffled sound.
And to shinkaii, by releasing the fretting fingers thus muting the strings, produces a "chaka chaka" sound. That sound can be done by palm muting too, but not at the bridge. If you palm mute further away from the bridge, it will produce not exactly similar but quite the same effect as releasing pressure on yr fretting fingers on the strings.
JKDragoon - August 26, 2007 12:57 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (tsunvun86 @ Aug 25 2007, 03:15 PM) |
| That sound can be done by palm muting too, but not at the bridge. If you palm mute further away from the bridge, it will produce not exactly similar but quite the same effect as releasing pressure on yr fretting fingers on the strings. |
Would that be as effective for an acoustic guitar?
Elec. pick-ups would be able to... uhh... 'pick up' the resonant sound from moving closer to the fretboard.
For acoustics, would there be sufficient sound for the output?
(Still on holiday, so I can't try this cool idea out... :P)
Muting with the fretting fingers sometimes helps beat development in songs... Plus, it's less tiring and strainous for the hands, compared to palm muting!
Thx for the clarification tsunvun86! :clap
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JK
shinkaii - August 26, 2007 03:17 AM (GMT)
so who can tell me the strumming pattern?
tsunvun86 - August 26, 2007 03:34 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (JKDragoon @ Aug 26 2007, 10:57 AM) |
| QUOTE (tsunvun86 @ Aug 25 2007, 03:15 PM) | | That sound can be done by palm muting too, but not at the bridge. If you palm mute further away from the bridge, it will produce not exactly similar but quite the same effect as releasing pressure on yr fretting fingers on the strings. |
Would that be as effective for an acoustic guitar? Elec. pick-ups would be able to... uhh... 'pick up' the resonant sound from moving closer to the fretboard. For acoustics, would there be sufficient sound for the output? (Still on holiday, so I can't try this cool idea out... :P)
Muting with the fretting fingers sometimes helps beat development in songs... Plus, it's less tiring and strainous for the hands, compared to palm muting!
Thx for the clarification tsunvun86! :clap --- JK
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I think it'll still be the same for the acoustic. You're doing exactly the same thing just that you're muting at different parts of the strings.
There's an advantage of producing the "chaka chaka" sound using palm muting.(Gaah I'm sure there's a name for it LOL) That is you preserve the tune of the chord you're pressing. So if you're doing that while pressing G, it will kind of produce a G chord with a chaka sound. Where as if you're releasing the pressure on your fretting fingers, the chord characteristics would be gone. LOL. I don't even know if people will understand what I'm trying to say here..... :rolleyes:
@shinkaii: I'm sure they have strumming patterns in the guitar scores.
shinkaii - August 26, 2007 01:39 PM (GMT)
mine doesnt say the strumming pattern...they are 2 right..one is scores other is the GoGo Guitar nd i think theres 1 more
mine doesnt says...
even when i go yahoo.com to search it only shows the chords
JKDragoon - August 27, 2007 01:53 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (tsunvun86 @ Aug 26 2007, 03:34 AM) |
| There's an advantage of producing the "chaka chaka" sound using palm muting.(Gaah I'm sure there's a name for it LOL) That is you preserve the tune of the chord you're pressing. So if you're doing that while pressing G, it will kind of produce a G chord with a chaka sound. Where as if you're releasing the pressure on your fretting fingers, the chord characteristics would be gone. LOL. I don't even know if people will understand what I'm trying to say here..... :rolleyes: |
Yup... I understand what you mean! :good
Palm Muting helps preserve the sound of the chord better, so with the additonal 'chaka' sound by moving closer to the fretboard... Helps to fuse the two different muting methods together!
Perhaps the downside to this is that you risk strumming against the fretboard... Or that you palm covers the pick-ups/acoustic hole... Thereby nullifying the effect? @@
However, different songs still utilise both techniques to different degrees...
AHHH... Must wait till Wednesday to try your style out!! :P
Shinkaii: The GoGo Guitar version is probably for one/two guitars only. If you want the real thing... Stick to the band-score version. If you want to play alone... Perhaps it's worth trying the GoGo Guitar version. I don't actually have the GoGo Guitar version so uhhh... I can only advise you when I get back home on Wednesday and find my bandscore! :P
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JK
tsunvun86 - August 27, 2007 03:58 AM (GMT)
Well you don't strum above the fretboard. You still strum above the sound hole/pick ups, just while doing that you mute the strings with your palm at the same time at that position.
Though sometimes I get unwanted artificial harmonics while doing it. Maybe I have to work out the best position to do this muting or the amount of pressure on the strings... meh... I'm too lazy now to figure it out ...lol
shinkaii - August 28, 2007 11:26 AM (GMT)
i know what u guys mean...there this method of strumming when u strum the strings but your palm come in first to mute the strings..the other is the chord...when u release and press...release and press....
yeah sure . i can wait until wednesday...just remember to upload it...thanks
natsumi - August 28, 2007 06:24 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (shinkaii @ Aug 28 2007, 11:26 AM) |
| i know what u guys mean...there this method of strumming when u strum the strings but your palm come in first to mute the strings.. |
i think that's what they call "chop" :rolleyes:
shinkaii - August 29, 2007 01:18 PM (GMT)
ya its called chop. i think i found out how to play the song already..is muted right? then comes in 1 or 2 times of the strumming...then mute strumming..come in 1 or 2 times strumming...then after that will be strumming all the way (nt muted)
JKDragoon - August 30, 2007 06:25 AM (GMT)
Ermmm... Isn't that what they call PALM MUTING? :what
OKAY... Anyway... Yes, I'm back!! And I am reading the score... And...
It's PALM MUTING... HURRAH!!
It goes like this... X's represent palm mute... Other letters represent the chord to be PLAYED at that time (slightly palm muted but strike harder to give sound)...
Each line represents a bar...
(PATTERN ONLY... Letters are NOT the chord!!)
A X X B X X A X
X B X X A X B X
(Repeat pattern till necessary to change... Change power chords accordingly!)
Hope that wasn't too confusing!
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JK
shinkaii - August 30, 2007 11:41 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (JKDragoon @ Aug 30 2007, 06:25 AM) |
Ermmm... Isn't that what they call PALM MUTING? :what
OKAY... Anyway... Yes, I'm back!! And I am reading the score... And... It's PALM MUTING... HURRAH!!
It goes like this... X's represent palm mute... Other letters represent the chord to be PLAYED at that time (slightly palm muted but strike harder to give sound)... Each line represents a bar... (PATTERN ONLY... Letters are NOT the chord!!)
A X X B X X A X
X B X X A X B X
(Repeat pattern till necessary to change... Change power chords accordingly!)
Hope that wasn't too confusing! --- JK |
(slightly palm muted but strike harder to give sound)...
i dont understand this
A and B represents the chords right? but wht u mean here is that the A and B is not a chord is just telling me that A and B are the not muted chords
am i right?
JKDragoon - August 30, 2007 12:08 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (shinkaii @ Aug 30 2007, 11:41 AM) |
(slightly palm muted but strike harder to give sound)... i dont understand this
A and B represents the chords right? but wht u mean here is that the A and B is not a chord is just telling me that A and B are the not muted chords
am i right? |
Thank you, tsunvun86, for informing me of my inability to explain a very simple guitar technique... :P j/k j/k!!
Alright Shinkaii... Sorry about that!
The thing is, this is going to be slightly hard to explain because I read the notation on the bandscore and this is what it tells me to do.
It's possible to define the SOUND of a chord that is palm muted by striking the strings harder than usual. This results in the chord being heard better than if you were to strike the chord lightly (i.e. it sounds like the chord was played really fast, without the strings vibrating to give the echo/reverb).
The easy way out... Play the chord properly where I wrote the letters and play it palm muted when I use the X's
You are RIGHT about my reference to the A, B and X's!! :clap
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JK
shinkaii - August 30, 2007 12:31 PM (GMT)
i think i understand...is it possible for u to upload the how crazy score?
JKDragoon - August 30, 2007 02:41 PM (GMT)
The whole 'Can't Buy My Love' book is available here!!...
http://yui-lover.com/index.php?showtopic=4464Enjoy the scores!!
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JK
led_fran - September 9, 2007 07:55 AM (GMT)
im having a hard time to play it :sayw ...i cant understand..maybe its just im a beginner...hahai..
tsunvun86 - September 9, 2007 12:29 PM (GMT)
It takes practice if you're just beginner. But down give up, and keep practicing. You'll get it eventually.
If it's to fast for you do it slow 1st. Then slowly build up the speed. I do that if I find something too fast for me. You work from the bottom up.
Good luck.
asuna - September 15, 2007 03:35 PM (GMT)
hmm i tried it out using a tab i found on ultimate-guitar... after listening carefully several times i finally figured out :clap
its exactly like what JKDragoon said, PM x2 in between single power chords (though it the un-muted chords still sound rather muffled in the actual song to me =x)
its the bridge where YUI sings super fast (she's rapping?!?!) thats the really hard part, plus the pre-chorus bit when the electric guitars come in, couldn't really catch the strumming pattern there... i just spammed and strummed like hell :sry
shinkaii - September 15, 2007 05:10 PM (GMT)
could u give me the tabs?
asuna - September 16, 2007 02:22 AM (GMT)
vstarv - September 16, 2007 09:20 PM (GMT)
I have the chords from GUITAR magazine, and the chords are different compare with that website O_O;;
shinkaii - September 17, 2007 06:51 AM (GMT)
vstarv - September 17, 2007 11:01 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (shinkaii @ Sep 17 2007, 06:51 AM) |
| really? can u upload it |
I have to type it first, then ^^;
takes some time.. >w<